What would it take to make this port possible?
cdimauroMember[quote name=x-vision post=13950]@x-vision -
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
I'm more sorry to inform you that it seems you still can't control your passive/agressive behavior after many years, and your "elementary logic" is in fact "stupid logic" cause this is a grey area for anyone with "basic" knowledge of the matter: I will not loose time bringing you DOZENS of cases where some perfectly legal developments have been considered "illegal" (ok, I said I won't, but I will name just 2 to help you understand: Bleemcast, and GTA III) just because some big companies bullied them. And the opposite case too: dozens if illegal projects whith well known authors which don't get sued by luck or many other reasons. Close examples are the Amiga ports of games which in fact are ILLEGAL cause their licenses didn't change or expire just because they are old (in fact, to publish them legally you have to fllow the Evercade way of getting agreements with the owners of those rights).
And it is not happening with "old and forgotten" games, it is happening with very actual games too, you have a list here:
https://decomp.dev
I thought it would be clear just naming the examples of my previous post, but it seems some people need more time and details to process it.
Anyway: there are dozens of examples that publishing your name (or alias BTW) of a project and being legal or illegal are completelly independent and not related elements. Knowing your previous behavior, I am quite sure you'll never recognize your error so I will save your time: I won't enter in an endless and stupid discussion: Believe what you choose to believe, it will be fine by me.[/quote]
There's no grey area either one thing is legal or not. And it isn't a lawsuit to decide in one or the other case: it's a judge.
Again, elementary logic...[/quote]
Again, elementary straw man fallacy: I didn't say it is cause a lawsuit, you name it and right after that you correct yourself (facepalm)..[/quote]
Nice try. Here are YOUR words:
"I will not loose time bringing you DOZENS of cases where some perfectly legal developments have been considered "illegal" (ok, I said I won't, but I will name just 2 to help you understand: Bleemcast, and GTA III) just because some big companies bullied them. And the opposite case too: dozens if illegal projects whith well known authors which don't get sued by luck or many other reasons."
"bullied" -> because of a lawsuit.
Which is confirmed by the following sentence: "don't get sued"
So, YOU were the one which first talked about lawsuit, and in this specific and well defined context.
Usually it's just a judge which decides. Unless you go to the Supreme Court (or something like that) where there's a pool of judges which take the final decision.
Finally, let me again quote you:
"I won't enter in an endless and stupid discussion: Believe what you choose to believe, it will be fine by me."
Coherency...
@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13945]@x-vision -@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...
@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
I'm more sorry to inform you that it seems you still can't control your passive/agressive behavior after many years, and your "elementary logic" is in fact "stupid logic" cause this is a grey area for anyone with "basic" knowledge of the matter: I will not loose time bringing you DOZENS of cases where some perfectly legal developments have been considered "illegal" (ok, I said I won't, but I will name just 2 to help you understand: Bleemcast, and GTA III) just because some big companies bullied them. And the opposite case too: dozens if illegal projects whith well known authors which don't get sued by luck or many other reasons. Close examples are the Amiga ports of games which in fact are ILLEGAL cause their licenses didn't change or expire just because they are old (in fact, to publish them legally you have to fllow the Evercade way of getting agreements with the owners of those rights).
And it is not happening with "old and forgotten" games, it is happening with very actual games too, you have a list here:
https://decomp.dev
I thought it would be clear just naming the examples of my previous post, but it seems some people need more time and details to process it.
Anyway: there are dozens of examples that publishing your name (or alias BTW) of a project and being legal or illegal are completelly independent and not related elements. Knowing your previous behavior, I am quite sure you'll never recognize your error so I will save your time: I won't enter in an endless and stupid discussion: Believe what you choose to believe, it will be fine by me.[/quote]
There's no grey area either one thing is legal or not. And it isn't a lawsuit to decide in one or the other case: it's a judge.
Again, elementary logic...[/quote]
Again, elementary straw man fallacy: I didn't say it is cause a lawsuit, you name it and right after that you correct yourself (facepalm)..[/quote]
Nice try. Here are YOUR words:
"I will not loose time bringing you DOZENS of cases where some perfectly legal developments have been considered "illegal" (ok, I said I won't, but I will name just 2 to help you understand: Bleemcast, and GTA III) just because some big companies bullied them. And the opposite case too: dozens if illegal projects whith well known authors which don't get sued by luck or many other reasons."
"bullied" -> because of a lawsuit.
Which is confirmed by the following sentence: "don't get sued"
So, YOU were the one which first talked about lawsuit, and in this specific and well defined context.
Quote
BTW: it is not "a judge", It usually takes many of them to end those cases.
Usually it's just a judge which decides. Unless you go to the Supreme Court (or something like that) where there's a pool of judges which take the final decision.
Finally, let me again quote you:
"I won't enter in an endless and stupid discussion: Believe what you choose to believe, it will be fine by me."
Coherency...
1 user reacted to this post
x-vision
x-visionJunior Member
Posted 11 hours ago@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13945]@x-vision -@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...
@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
I'm more sorry to inform you that it seems you still can't control your passive/agressive behavior after many years, and your "elementary logic" is in fact "stupid logic" cause this is a grey area for anyone with "basic" knowledge of the matter: I will not loose time bringing you DOZENS of cases where some perfectly legal developments have been considered "illegal" (ok, I said I won't, but I will name just 2 to help you understand: Bleemcast, and GTA III) just because some big companies bullied them. And the opposite case too: dozens if illegal projects whith well known authors which don't get sued by luck or many other reasons. Close examples are the Amiga ports of games which in fact are ILLEGAL cause their licenses didn't change or expire just because they are old (in fact, to publish them legally you have to fllow the Evercade way of getting agreements with the owners of those rights).
And it is not happening with "old and forgotten" games, it is happening with very actual games too, you have a list here:
https://decomp.dev
I thought it would be clear just naming the examples of my previous post, but it seems some people need more time and details to process it.
Anyway: there are dozens of examples that publishing your name (or alias BTW) of a project and being legal or illegal are completelly independent and not related elements. Knowing your previous behavior, I am quite sure you'll never recognize your error so I will save your time: I won't enter in an endless and stupid discussion: Believe what you choose to believe, it will be fine by me.[/quote]
There's no grey area either one thing is legal or not. And it isn't a lawsuit to decide in one or the other case: it's a judge.
Again, elementary logic...[/quote]
Again, elementary straw man fallacy: I didn't say it is cause a lawsuit, you name it and right after that you correct yourself (facepalm).
BTW: it is not "a judge", It usually takes many of them to end those cases.
x-visionJunior Member
Posted 11 hours ago@coffeecat - Mate, do what you wantbut...
AmiGTA is actually a perfect example of the distinction I'm talking about.
It's a ground-up reimplementation. No GTA code, no GTA assets in the distribution. The original game serves as a behavioral/data specification, and users provide their own files.
That's fundamentally different from taking leaked GTA V source code and porting it to AROS.
And frankly, as an AROS/Amiga technical showcase, AmiGTA is much more impressive anyway. Writing the engine yourself and adapting it to the platform demonstrates what the platform and its developers can actually do.
OpenLara, DevilutionX, and similar projects are reimplementations or source ports that distribute the engine code legally, while the user supplies the original copyrighted game data.
It changes nothing from a legal perspective, but it's perceived differently when you build a game based on GTA1, which could be interpreted as a preservation effort, versus releasing a port of a game that is still actively monetized. Not sure if I mentioned - large portion of that code likely is Scaleform, Bink and other propertiary tech which has NOT been licensed for distribution on other platforms.
I won't enter into considerations about what's more or less impressive, cause that's so subjective... I just asked what would take to make that port happen, and if not, what is Aros lacking. I thought it could be an interesting subject to get a different perspective of where Aros is actually, not to be controversial.
Some of you don't want to even consider it cause you fear to be sued? That's ok: it's human to be afraid. I didn't even say somebody have to publish GTA V AROS with his name on it. It could simply be a reimplementation not using any original code or assets.
But please don't bullshit me about what's illegal and what's not, cause we have lots of examples in the Amiga world (even with the Amiga name, rights, platforms, ports, reimplementations, etc...) that this is a very grey area, but "illegal" content is published in Amiga forums and repositories almost every day.
Edited by x-vision on 31-08-2026 13:56, 11 hours ago
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sonountaleban
cdimauroMember[quote name=x-vision post=13945]@x-vision -
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
I'm more sorry to inform you that it seems you still can't control your passive/agressive behavior after many years, and your "elementary logic" is in fact "stupid logic" cause this is a grey area for anyone with "basic" knowledge of the matter: I will not loose time bringing you DOZENS of cases where some perfectly legal developments have been considered "illegal" (ok, I said I won't, but I will name just 2 to help you understand: Bleemcast, and GTA III) just because some big companies bullied them. And the opposite case too: dozens if illegal projects whith well known authors which don't get sued by luck or many other reasons. Close examples are the Amiga ports of games which in fact are ILLEGAL cause their licenses didn't change or expire just because they are old (in fact, to publish them legally you have to fllow the Evercade way of getting agreements with the owners of those rights).
And it is not happening with "old and forgotten" games, it is happening with very actual games too, you have a list here:
https://decomp.dev
I thought it would be clear just naming the examples of my previous post, but it seems some people need more time and details to process it.
Anyway: there are dozens of examples that publishing your name (or alias BTW) of a project and being legal or illegal are completelly independent and not related elements. Knowing your previous behavior, I am quite sure you'll never recognize your error so I will save your time: I won't enter in an endless and stupid discussion: Believe what you choose to believe, it will be fine by me.[/quote]
There's no grey area either one thing is legal or not. And it isn't a lawsuit to decide in one or the other case: it's a judge.
Again, elementary logic...
@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
I'm more sorry to inform you that it seems you still can't control your passive/agressive behavior after many years, and your "elementary logic" is in fact "stupid logic" cause this is a grey area for anyone with "basic" knowledge of the matter: I will not loose time bringing you DOZENS of cases where some perfectly legal developments have been considered "illegal" (ok, I said I won't, but I will name just 2 to help you understand: Bleemcast, and GTA III) just because some big companies bullied them. And the opposite case too: dozens if illegal projects whith well known authors which don't get sued by luck or many other reasons. Close examples are the Amiga ports of games which in fact are ILLEGAL cause their licenses didn't change or expire just because they are old (in fact, to publish them legally you have to fllow the Evercade way of getting agreements with the owners of those rights).
And it is not happening with "old and forgotten" games, it is happening with very actual games too, you have a list here:
https://decomp.dev
I thought it would be clear just naming the examples of my previous post, but it seems some people need more time and details to process it.
Anyway: there are dozens of examples that publishing your name (or alias BTW) of a project and being legal or illegal are completelly independent and not related elements. Knowing your previous behavior, I am quite sure you'll never recognize your error so I will save your time: I won't enter in an endless and stupid discussion: Believe what you choose to believe, it will be fine by me.[/quote]
There's no grey area either one thing is legal or not. And it isn't a lawsuit to decide in one or the other case: it's a judge.
Again, elementary logic...
1 user reacted to this post
x-vision
x-visionJunior Member
Posted 11 hours ago@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
@cdimauro - [quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...[/quote]
I'm more sorry to inform you that it seems you still can't control your passive/agressive behavior after many years, and your "elementary logic" is in fact "stupid logic" cause this is a grey area for anyone with "basic" knowledge of the matter: I will not loose time bringing you DOZENS of cases where some perfectly legal developments have been considered "illegal" (ok, I said I won't, but I will name just 2 to help you understand: Bleemcast, and GTA III) just because some big companies bullied them. And the opposite case too: dozens if illegal projects whith well known authors which don't get sued by luck or many other reasons. Close examples are the Amiga ports of games which in fact are ILLEGAL cause their licenses didn't change or expire just because they are old (in fact, to publish them legally you have to fllow the Evercade way of getting agreements with the owners of those rights).
And it is not happening with "old and forgotten" games, it is happening with very actual games too, you have a list here:
https://decomp.dev
I thought it would be clear just naming the examples of my previous post, but it seems some people need more time and details to process it.
Anyway: there are dozens of examples that publishing your name (or alias BTW) on a project and being legal or illegal are completelly independent and not related elements. Knowing your previous behavior, I am quite sure you'll never recognize your error so I will save your time: I won't enter in an endless and stupid discussion: Believe what you choose to believe, it will be fine by me.
Edited by x-vision on 31-08-2026 13:55, 11 hours ago
cdimauroMember[quote name=x-vision post=13934]@x-vision - Those GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS[/quote]
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS[/quote]
Let's make it easy: if they are legal, then the authors can publish their identities and nothing should happen to them, right?
Sorry for bringing some basic, elementary logic...
1 user reacted to this post
x-vision
coffeecatJunior Member
Posted 15 hours agoMate, do what you want but...
AmiGTA is actually a perfect example of the distinction I'm talking about.
It's a ground-up reimplementation. No GTA code, no GTA assets in the distribution. The original game serves as a behavioral/data specification, and users provide their own files.
That's fundamentally different from taking leaked GTA V source code and porting it to AROS.
And frankly, as an AROS/Amiga technical showcase, AmiGTA is much more impressive anyway. Writing the engine yourself and adapting it to the platform demonstrates what the platform and its developers can actually do.
OpenLara, DevilutionX, and similar projects are reimplementations or source ports that distribute the engine code legally, while the user supplies the original copyrighted game data.
It changes nothing from a legal perspective, but it's perceived differently when you build a game based on GTA1, which could be interpreted as a preservation effort, versus releasing a port of a game that is still actively monetized. Not sure if I mentioned - large portion of that code likely is Scaleform, Bink and other propertiary tech which has NOT been licensed for distribution on other platforms.
but...AmiGTA is actually a perfect example of the distinction I'm talking about.
It's a ground-up reimplementation. No GTA code, no GTA assets in the distribution. The original game serves as a behavioral/data specification, and users provide their own files.
That's fundamentally different from taking leaked GTA V source code and porting it to AROS.
And frankly, as an AROS/Amiga technical showcase, AmiGTA is much more impressive anyway. Writing the engine yourself and adapting it to the platform demonstrates what the platform and its developers can actually do.
OpenLara, DevilutionX, and similar projects are reimplementations or source ports that distribute the engine code legally, while the user supplies the original copyrighted game data.
It changes nothing from a legal perspective, but it's perceived differently when you build a game based on GTA1, which could be interpreted as a preservation effort, versus releasing a port of a game that is still actively monetized. Not sure if I mentioned - large portion of that code likely is Scaleform, Bink and other propertiary tech which has NOT been licensed for distribution on other platforms.
Edited by coffeecat on 31-08-2026 09:17, 15 hours ago
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x-visionJunior Member
Posted 1 day agoThose GTA3 clones have been ported to all kind of platforms. Now there is "AmiGTA"
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
The same with Open Lara, Mario 64 too, Plants vs Zombies, Fallout, Sonic CD, Diablo, ... the list goes on and on. All on Aros.
Who's gonna tell me these are "perfectly legal"?
BS
Edited by x-vision on 30-08-2026 19:07, 1 day ago
sonountalebanMember
Posted 2 days ago[quote name=x-vision post=13886]@x-vision - Part of my post was related to meditate about that: is Aros ABIv11 2026.09 in state to be able to port this? if not: what features and tools is lacking? how would it perform?
Plan B: GTA 3 + Vice City are also in the open and probably much easier to port
Anyway, I would not worry too much about lawyers: if they say we are not buying games because they don't belong to us, so fine: they won't belong to them anyway.[/quote]
On the technical side a porting shouldn't be impossible to do: if built with VS2012 it was likely developed using C++03 or even older versions, I think there are no problems with AROS here. The bigger mess is switch from DirectX to OpenGL, namely, the rendering needs to be rethought: different coordinate systems, not always there is an one-to-one relationship between their API functions and their shaders use different standards, they have to be reimplemented basically.
Yes, those GTA 3 open source clones can be ported, they could be a kind of demo for AROS, apart legal problems - I think nobody has done it on AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS yet, so... However, their custom rendering systems need to be checked and ported first, even though they run on Linux+OpenGL.
Plan B: GTA 3 + Vice City are also in the open
and probably much easier to portAnyway, I would not worry too much about lawyers: if they say we are not buying games because they don't belong to us, so fine: they won't belong to them anyway.[/quote]
On the technical side a porting shouldn't be impossible to do: if built with VS2012 it was likely developed using C++03 or even older versions, I think there are no problems with AROS here. The bigger mess is switch from DirectX to OpenGL, namely, the rendering needs to be rethought: different coordinate systems, not always there is an one-to-one relationship between their API functions and their shaders use different standards, they have to be reimplemented basically.
Yes, those GTA 3 open source clones can be ported, they could be a kind of demo for AROS, apart legal problems - I think nobody has done it on AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS yet, so... However, their custom rendering systems need to be checked and ported first, even though they run on Linux+OpenGL.
Edited by sonountaleban on 30-08-2026 06:34, 2 days ago
ArgoJunior MembercoffeecatJunior Member
Posted 2 days agoEdited by coffeecat on 30-08-2026 04:36, 2 days ago
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Posted 2 days agoEdited by deadwood on 30-08-2026 01:00, 2 days ago
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cdimauroMemberx-visionJunior Member
Posted 2 days agoPart of my post was related to meditate about that: is Aros ABIv11 2026.09 in state to be able to port this? if not: what features and tools is lacking? how would it perform?
Plan B: GTA 3 + Vice City are also in the open and probably much easier to port
Anyway, I would not worry too much about lawyers: if they say we are not buying games because they don't belong to us, so fine: they won't belong to them anyway.
Plan B: GTA 3 + Vice City are also in the open
and probably much easier to portAnyway, I would not worry too much about lawyers: if they say we are not buying games because they don't belong to us, so fine: they won't belong to them anyway.
Edited by x-vision on 29-08-2026 20:32, 2 days ago
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