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Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware

Last updated on 4 months ago
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago

amigamia wrote:

@amigamia
OK Fair enough. Perhaps we should take a look to Stack Attack and see if it can be reverse engineered.

Stack Attack includes the sources, but they are ASM

There is also Stack Attack 2

http://aminet.net...ackAttack2
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago
Yes the GCC Guru is also known, we have talked about it here on the forum, if you compile small and simple sources you don't need the Stack, but when you compile large and comomplex sources you have to give a Stack of 200000.
amigamiaamigamiaAdmin
Posted 4 months ago

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM - The Stack from the Shell works only once, if you close the Shell, and start a new Shell you will have to set the Stack again.

You can't set the Stack globally in the Startup - sequence or other place, it won't work, on OS3 there is "StackAttack" which automatically sets the necessary Stack, unfortunately on AROS there is no such thing, indispensable tool like this.

https://aminet.ne...ackAttack2


OK Fair enough. Perhaps we should take a look to Stack Attack and see if it can be reverse engineered.

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Before deploying AROS One "every time" I test all the included software, with OpenTyrian I only tested that it would boot.
if I were to play with all games it would take weeks of testing..

Probably besides OpenTyrian there may be some other software where you will need to increase the Stack, also consider the opposite, on AROS One there are settings that without my Icon settings could not start.


Well, thank you for that!

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If you exit the game by clicking on the exit gadget from the window, you will always get a Guru, this also happens with the reference ISO, see screenshot.


That's a known bug in the implementation of the AROS SDL_quit function. I remember reading about it on another SDL based application/game, which I can't remember the name at the moment. There was a work around I believe. If I manage to find that, I'll try to recompile it. The game quits just fine if you use the Esc key or use the exit game from the menu.

BTW, also using GCC may require a larger stack. It GURUs when compiling Open Tyrian on AROS Native.
Edited by amigamia on 20-03-2024 22:52, 4 months ago
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago
The Stack from the Shell works only once, if you close the Shell, and start a new Shell you will have to set the Stack again.

You can't set the Stack globally in the Startup - sequence or other place, it won't work, on OS3 there is "StackAttack" which automatically sets the necessary Stack, unfortunately on AROS there is no such thing, indispensable tool like this.

https://aminet.ne...ackAttack2

Before deploying AROS One "every time" I test all the included software, with OpenTyrian I only tested that it would boot.
if I were to play with all games it would take weeks of testing..

Probably besides OpenTyrian there may be some other software where you will need to increase the Stack, also consider the opposite, on AROS One there are settings that without my Icon settings could not start.

If you exit the game by clicking on the exit gadget from the window, you will always get a Guru, this also happens with the reference ISO, see screenshot.
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amigamiaamigamiaAdmin
Posted 4 months ago
Just FYI, I opened a shell and set the stack there. I did not change the stack on the application icon. I assume one sets it globally for the entire OS and the other is for the application only? What's the benefit of one vs the other?

Also, many other apps that had their own icon have been changed with your icon set. Are you going one by one to check stack requirements? I presume OpenTyrian isn't the only software to benefit from a large stack. Maybe that is why I am experiencing the annoying GURU while working in AROS One?
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago
All, on AROS there is no software to have an automatic Stack, on no AROS OS can you manage the Stack, you have to add it by hand to all applications that require it.

About Open Tyrian, "the Original Icon" requires a Stack of 100000, see screnshot.

On AROS One when I created the new Icon, I just forgot to add the Stack !

Without the Stack of 100000 Open Tyrian goes to Guru even on the deadwood reference ISO,

The Core of AROS One is identical to the deadwood ISO, the problem on AROS One, is just because of some forgetfulness to add the Stack

I don't have any blocks, please report me on which software you are experiencing problems, so I can check for me also exists for me, Or on the referenced ISO.
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mattson62mattson62Junior Member
Posted 4 months ago
@AMIGASYSTEM @amigamia thought i would try on my VirtualBox setup same results
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amigamiaamigamiaAdmin
Posted 4 months ago
@AMIGASYSTEM

So I gave AROS One 2.4 another try. I made sure the USB drive was clear of any partitions and boot record. Clean slate!

I was able to install it from the ISO to the USB. I still can't use the VHD image you created.

I then installed it on my Dell Latitude D520 without errors.

And here is where the experience started to take a down turn. I started my favorite game Open Tyrian 2.1 from Extras Games. It starts, I go through the menu and right before starting to play, it crashes with a Stack error (see attached).

NOTE: the same game in a plain AROS install from deadwood files does not crash. I can play for hours and no issues.

Now, to get it working fine on AROS ONE, I had to set the stack to 10000000. This is what I was talking about in my previous post. Applications crash for no apparent reason. The stack for some reason may not be big enough on your distribution.
Edited by amigamia on 20-03-2024 06:52, 4 months ago
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AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago
miker sorry, unintentionally I misspelled, then old age and copy-paste did the rest.

The current version is 2.4, 2.5 is under construction !
I correct the post
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miker1264Software Dev
Posted 4 months ago
What is the current version of AROS One x86?

Is it 2.4 or 2.5 ?
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago
@amigamia

Very strange I work on AROS One for hours without having Guru, users who use it can confirm it, probably your AROS One has something corrupted, try it the ISO of AROS One on a VM and see if you have the same problems.

At the moment nu user has reported these problems and Guru to me

Perchance you are running software from the old core ?

These videos demonstrate that James runs many Applications in many minutes on AROS One 2.4 without having serious problems:

AROS One 2.4 : Tutorial Video (52 Minutes)

AROS One 2.4 : Tutorial Video (41 Minutes)

AROS One 2.4 : Tutorial Video

AROS One 2.4 : Tutorial Video
amigamiaamigamiaAdmin
Posted 4 months ago

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM - But to create the USB image did you use my ISO DVD ?

If for some did not copy the Development with its content, copy manually all the Development data included in the ISO-DVD, in the Development folder of your HD

All strange what happens, some users have installed my USB Image and used the GCC

Nion give up, as a last try do this:

Try a Different Network and a different PC to download and burn the USB Image !


That's the thing, I honestly do not think it's the download getting corrupted. I download files of any format without any problems. I have downloaded your AROS One USB from 3 different computers and it's showing the same problem when I install it.

To create a new USB drive, I used your ISO DVD yes! It did create it and I DID select to install the development files.

I am going to try one more time but if I manage to install it, the problems do not stop there. I have been experiencing other random issues once AROS One is installed. Lock ups, GURU errors, just at random times as I use applications. I can't go longer that 10-15 minutes without a crash where I have to reboot to get it back working. Now, I know AROS does not have memory protection and if an app crashes, it takes down the entire OS with it but when it's happening so often, it is quite distracting and annoying.

I installed the base AROS version from deadwood's axrt.org and it has been a MUCH more pleasant experience. I used it last night for 2 hours and only crashed once from a known problem when exiting OpenTyrian 2.1 game. It's painful to introduce all sorts of apps, tools, to be able to bring a base AROS version to a more usable experience but at least I am not getting interrupted by a random crash while I am playing a tune or editing a file.

Sorry AmigsSystem, no offense. I love what you do and continue to do for AROS. I still think AROS One is a delight, but the excitement is short lived for my point of view. Perhaps, it has just become a but over-bloated with apps that are, for lack of better terms, poorly coded or bugs never cleaned up, which continue to be a showstopper for the whole OS.
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago
But to create the USB image did you use my ISO DVD ?

If for some did not copy the Development with its content, copy manually all the Development data included in the ISO-DVD, in the Development folder of your HD

All strange what happens, some users have installed my USB Image and used the GCC

Nion give up, as a last try do this:

Try a Different Network and a different PC to download and burn the USB Image !
amigamiaamigamiaAdmin
Posted 4 months ago

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM - GCC works fine on AROS One v2.4, see screenshot !

Question:

Did you change anything on the Shell Icon?

I didn't touch anything. I used the method descibed HERE: https://arosnews.github.io/how-to-prepare-usb-flash-drive-aros/ because the USB download from your site refused to work (See above for screenshot)

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On InstallAROS did you check "Install Debuggin Tools ans Dveleoper Software"


I did and I did it twice. I said that in my previous post above.

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Does the SYSGrinevelopment folder include 795 MB of data?

There isn't one.

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If this data is not there just copy manually from the iso the data into this folder


To be honest, I am giving up for now. There are too many strange problems, crashes, and lock ups with this AROS One. I know it works perfectly on your VirtualBox but the experience is way different on a physical hardware it seems.
For the time being I am reverting to a basic setup using deadwood's ISO file without all the other bloat. We'll see if that works better.
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago
GCC works fine on AROS One v2.4, see screenshot !

Question:

Did you change anything on the Shell Icon?

On InstallAROS did you check "Install Debuggin Tools ans Dveleoper Software"

Does the SYS:Development folder include 795 MB of data?

If this data is not there just copy manually from the iso the data into this folder
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amigamiaamigamiaAdmin
Posted 4 months ago
Question @AMIGASYSTEM:

Is the GCC not included in the development? I don't see it. I even tried to run my install again from the USB drive and made sure I selected tthe option to install Development.

gcc -v returns : gcc: object not found
amigamiaamigamiaAdmin
Posted 4 months ago
After much tribulations, I was able to install AROS One 2.4 by using the ISO and the method described above at AROS news. The VHD just refused to boot, despite the many times I re-downloaded it. Writing this reply from my Dell Latitude D520 with working accelerated Intel GMA graphics, working AHI, and working WiFi via an atheros 5000 chip.

This is a really nice laptop for AROS.
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 4 months ago
In some cases it could also be a fragmented hardisk problem, it happens that sudden shutdowns of the (Fixed) PC corrupt the filesystem causing strange errors on the files.

A good method to keep the filesystem efficient at all times is to perform a SkanDisk on all volumes after the PC shuts down acause of power failure.

This procedure will prevent some corrupted files from being deleted.
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deadwoodAROS Dev
Posted 4 months ago

amigamia wrote:

@amigamia

I have been trying to install AROS One 2.4 via ISO using the same method as above but 3 hours later I am still trying. It's one error or another. Got tired of tracking them. One time was the USB and another AROS One just becomes unresponsive while in VirtualBox, a crash here and a crash there.


That sounds pretty similar to what I experienced with AROS One 2.3 ISO in VirtualBox. Random crashes during installation process. I asked another person to re-test and he didn't have these problems. I think this shows there is something wrong with download process - seems that sometimes archives come damaged even though they uncompress (or they become damaged after uncompressing). It does not seem too frequent - else there would be more people reporting these problems.
amigamiaamigamiaAdmin
Posted 4 months ago
Well, I have no issues with AROS-pc-i386-boot-iso version 20220318-1 downloaded from https://axrt.org/...loads-aros and using this method: https://arosnews....rive-aros/

I have been trying to install AROS One 2.4 via ISO using the same method as above but 3 hours later I am still trying. It's one error or another. Got tired of tracking them. One time was the USB and another AROS One just becomes unresponsive while in VirtualBox, a crash here and a crash there. I think I may have finally managed to make a new USB with AROS One 2.4 using the method in question and NOT the VHD/Rufus process.

We shall see!
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