Hi all,
I'm a new AROS user, I'm using it to "revive" an old AthlonXP PC, I've also a pistormed amiga500 and a core2duo with Amithlon.

I'm toying around with AROS for some time now, I have also compiled a couple of programs using ABIv0 20220318-1 build (I'll file an upload request on aros archives soon).
I've some questions about installing on real hardware (the athlonxp above) I've compiled abiv0-pc from git resulting in an ISO file, when I try to boot it on a virtual hw, I've no problem at all but when I try to do it on the real hardware (I've burned it on a DVD) AROS will simply stuck after grub (black screen with no DVD activity, tested all "graphic modes" ).

I've tested it with Icaros Desktop and it will simply boot/installing and works well (although I've to copy three libraries to make compiled software work)

Someone knows why the "standard" iso will not boot on real hardware? Is there anything I can do to make it work?

Forgive my english not a native speaker

Hi welcome to this, where are you from?

Actually if the ISO starts from VM it means that the bootloader is correct, probably your PC is not supported at Hardware level, have you checked [url=https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Complete_System_HCL][b]HERE[/b][/url].

If you forward your software to aros archive, they will be already available from the "Uploads" tab anyway, as soon as possible I would like to test them on AROS One, thanks

Also, if you compile GitHub sources for vanilla AROS that is considered the "core" system. It only has the basic system files.

It's better to use a distro such as AROS One x86 or even Icaros Desktop although it is based on older systems files. Tiny AROS is another one. The distros such as AROS One x86 are full of preloaded and preconfigured software. I like AROS One x86 because "it just works". Especially the sound and datatypes and themes are well done. The def_icons and descriptors are also well done. On supported hardware it just works.

@Deremon

Hello and welcome! It is always good to see a fellow software developer joining our community.

With regards to the hardware problem you mention, first it make sense to check the link that @AMIGASYSTEM posted to see if your hardware does not need some additional parameters with newer versions of AROS. Additionally at top of that page you have a list of recommended hardware which is quite cheap and possibly you'd need only to swap out motherboard.

With the hardware you have, there are a few options you can try:

1) using the default grub menu item, edit it and add "bootmenu" to kernel parameters list. Does the bootmenu start? If yes, do you see your cdrom and harddrive in it?
2) try adding noapci kernel parameter in grub, often ACPI support for older hardware is problematic

Also please share what motherboard you have and whether your CDROM is IDE or SATA.

hi and welcome

Welcome to AROSWorld Deremon!

We are glad that you have joined and are excited to share with you everything you want to know about AROS.

[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=4750]@AMIGASYSTEM - Hi welcome to this, where are you from?

Actually if the ISO starts from VM it means that the bootloader is correct, probably your PC is not supported at Hardware level, have you checked [url=https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Complete_System_HCL][b]HERE[/b][/url].

If you forward your software to aros archive, they will be already available from the "Uploads" tab anyway, as soon as possible I would like to test them on AROS One, thanks[/quote]

Hi AMIGASYSTEM, I'm from italy, I'll check HCL thanks!

I've uploaded scummvm-1.9.0 and residualvm-0.3.1 to aros archives if you want to test them

[quote name=deadwood post=4753]@deadwood - @Deremon

Hello and welcome! It is always good to see a fellow software developer joining our community.

With regards to the hardware problem you mention, first it make sense to check the link that @AMIGASYSTEM posted to see if your hardware does not need some additional parameters with newer versions of AROS. Additionally at top of that page you have a list of recommended hardware which is quite cheap and possibly you'd need only to swap out motherboard.

With the hardware you have, there are a few options you can try:

1) using the default grub menu item, edit it and add "bootmenu" to kernel parameters list. Does the bootmenu start? If yes, do you see your cdrom and harddrive in it?
2) try adding noapci kernel parameter in grub, often ACPI support for older hardware is problematic

Also please share what motherboard you have and whether your CDROM is IDE or SATA.[/quote]

Hi Deadwood,
unfortunately I'm a linux/windows system engineer not a software developer, the most "serious" programming language I've used was Turbo Pascal at school (and bash scripting doesn't make me a software developer) I try to compile things debugging with my limited experience and *a lot* of google searches

I've tested latest build also with a core2quad and nothing, it will not boot even with bootmenu and/or noapic but Icaros desktop just works, so I think I'll double check the iso, I will also try AROS One and TinyAROS aside from the "official" base builds
On AthlonXP there's only IDE
On core2quad I've IDE and SATA, CDROM is SATA

Core2quad has a GA-P35-DS3 motherboard
Tomorrow I'll check AthlonXP one

[quote name=miker1264 post=4751]@miker1264 - Also, if you compile GitHub sources for vanilla AROS that is considered the "core" system. It only has the basic system files.

It's better to use a distro such as AROS One x86 or even Icaros Desktop although it is based on older systems files. Tiny AROS is another one. The distros such as AROS One x86 are full of preloaded and preconfigured software. I like AROS One x86 because "it just works". Especially the sound and datatypes and themes are well done. The def_icons and descriptors are also well done. On supported hardware it just works.[/quote]
Hi miker1264,
I'll try them all


Thanks for the help and the warm welcome!

[quote name=Deremon post=4784]@Deremon
Core2quad has a GA-P35-DS3 motherboard
Tomorrow I'll check AthlonXP one

[/quote]

What you can try is selecting the last option in the boot menu. This will boot into VGA mode where you will see boot messages on the screen while AROS boots. Possibly you will see there any error message that might lead us on where the regression is.

[quote name=Deremon post=4784]

I've uploaded scummvm-1.9.0 and residualvm-0.3.1 to aros archives if you want to test them
[/quote]

Tested Myst III Exile on ResidualVM and it runs well in both Window and FullScreen, I tested it in Software Mode, ResidualVM requirest native Video Card, but even in Software Mode it is playable, no particular slowdown !

On Myst III Exile I also eliminated the error Play "TOHO_MUSIC2.mp3," which is the music base of the Games Menu

you definitely have some hardware incompatibility with the new builds

No incompatibility hardware, with Virtual Machines there is only VESA Mode for AROS !

I was referring to the real hardware

Exile works also on my netbook

[quote name=deadwood post=4785]@deadwood - [quote name=Deremon post=4784]@Deremon
Core2quad has a GA-P35-DS3 motherboard
Tomorrow I'll check AthlonXP one

[/quote]

What you can try is selecting the last option in the boot menu. This will boot into VGA mode where you will see boot messages on the screen while AROS boots. Possibly you will see there any error message that might lead us on where the regression is.[/quote]

To recap:
Core2quad has a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 motherboard 3GiB of RAM and an Nvidia 9600 GT (HDMI+DVI+VGA using VGA)
AthlonXP 1700+ has an Asus A7V8X-X 2GiB of RAM and an Nvidia 6600 GT (DVI+VGA using VGA)

Photos attached are from the safe mode option
Core2Quad does not seem to display a really "visible" errors (it's ok that "APIC #X of Y going idle" ?)
On AthlonXP there is a software failure (seem a very nasty one)

both starts with icaros 2.3 with native graphic using NV on screenmode and full GL acceleration, next week I'll recive an USB virtual odd so I can test more iso file and the other distros without burning ton of dvds

PS. I saw there is a post regarding compatible hardware, if I can have the base iso booting I can share what works and what not on these mobos

you definitely have some hardware incompatibility all distributions are based on the latest deadwood build

good news is that the graphics cards are supported I too had a quad that didn't work a long time ago but it's just bad luck if you want I can give you a netbook as a welcome gift

@Deremon

I don't know if you read my quote after Myst 3 test, I removed the error Play "TOHO_MUSIC2.mp3", which is the music base of the game menu

Question ResidualVM AROS version supports the MP3 ? with ResidualVM the MP3 intro works fine ! !

[quote name=Deremon post=4797]@Deremon next week I'll recive an USB virtual odd so I can test more iso file and the other distros without burning ton of dvds

[/quote]

You can also install the ISO to USB pen drive via VirtualBox or WMWare. That's the cheapest option to try new versions.

@Deremon

Looking at your photos:

1) GA-P35-DS3 - it dies very early in boot sequence. The only thing that comes to my mind is to add "noacpi" option to grub command line in safe mode and see whethere is the a different debug output

2) A7V8X-X - kernel went further in this case and died around some hardware initialization. What I can suggest is to disable any hardware you can in BIOS and disconned all disks except DVD-rom and see if this will get you futher in safe mode. Other test would be to disable ATA/SATA and boot from USB only.

[quote name=Amiwell79 post=4798]@Amiwell79 - you definitely have some hardware incompatibility all distributions are based on the latest deadwood build[/quote]

Not IcarOS at the moment so I can use them in a way or another I'll double check the iso tho (when I riceve the virtual USB ODD) to be sure I made no mistakes

[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=4800]@AMIGASYSTEM - @Deremon

I don't know if you read my quote after Myst 3 test, I removed the error Play "TOHO_MUSIC2.mp3", which is the music base of the game menu

Question ResidualVM AROS version supports the MP3 ? with ResidualVM the MP3 intro works fine ! ![/quote]

I'm so sorry AMIGASYSTEM, I missed the question, unfortunately MP3 support is not enabled on that build cause I've missed libmad (found it today on AROS archives), I've rebuilt residualvm with libmad, may you retry with the build attached? If it works I'll rebuild also scummvm 1.9.0 with it

[quote name=deadwood post=4803]@deadwood - @Deremon

Looking at your photos:

1) GA-P35-DS3 - it dies very early in boot sequence. The only thing that comes to my mind is to add "noacpi" option to grub command line in safe mode and see whethere is the a different debug output

2) A7V8X-X - kernel went further in this case and died around some hardware initialization. What I can suggest is to disable any hardware you can in BIOS and disconned all disks except DVD-rom and see if this will get you futher in safe mode. Other test would be to disable ATA/SATA and boot from USB only.[/quote]

1) no changes with noapic, it goes on the same line as ATA=nodma debug=memory nomonitors right?

2) Ok unfortunately it's a really early usb motherboard I can only boot having a USB-CDROM (real or virtual) no USB-HDD boot

apart from that is there anything else I can do to debug this issue?

Ah one last thing I have also a athlon64 and a celeron (first edition 32bit) I can try with them if you are interested

[quote name=deadwood post=4802]@deadwood - [quote name=Deremon post=4797]@Deremon next week I'll recive an USB virtual odd so I can test more iso file and the other distros without burning ton of dvds

[/quote]

You can also install the ISO to USB pen drive via VirtualBox or WMWare. That's the cheapest option to try new versions.[/quote]

It will work for sure with GA-P35-DS3, no way with A7V8X-X as I said before